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    Re: Official 2018-2019 NFL (Pre/Regular/Post) Thread

    so whos everyone got in the wildcard slots this year? ima say seahawks and (This one is rough, most favorable schedule is the Packers but..) I'm thinking Panthers (cowboys and Bears winning the two division in question) for nfc. afc wise i got the Chargers and Colts (though wouldn't be shocked at all for it to be the Ravens that one was as hard to say cus i like lamar jackson).

    edit* where yall see Flacco next year?
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    edit* where yall see Flacco next year?
    Jacksonville? I still can't believe they rolled out with Bortles this season or at least tried a trade for someone better.
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    Bortles got benched for Cody Kessler now. Flacco makes sense for Jacksonville.
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    Jacksonville? I still can't believe they rolled out with Bortles this season or at least tried a trade for someone better.
    this makes a lot of sense.... but (and i never had this thought prior literally just one that popped in reading this) what about a team like the Giants or something just tryna get a solid body in there they could say "well hes solid to build around and if he falls off draft someone behidn him"? maybe not the Giants but a team in that position, first team that came to mind cus well... Eli is looking done...

    but hes another one that could be somewhere else next year.
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    Flacco will be a Raider
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    Raiders would make sense. I would only take Eli as a backup next year.
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    flacco makes perfect sense as a raider with that big arm and ultimately disappointing regular season prowress lol.

    eli will end up somewhere, think he ultimately ends up starting at some point be it as a mentor or as a "well that needed more time..." type back up lol. feel like the question with eli is more does he say fuck it and retire if the giants dont want him, eli doesnt strike me as someone super pressed to continue as a backup.

    also.. am i reading this right that technically in some categories the bucs are the #1 offense?? lol - the bills being #1 in defense in some categories makes more sense esp since they couldve had more wins with more offense - but the bucs??
    guess that goes to show even with all these pro-offense rules now it dont cover up for mistakes lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Subzi View Post
    also.. am i reading this right that technically in some categories the bucs are the #1 offense?? lol - the bills being #1 in defense in some categories makes more sense esp since they couldve had more wins with more offense - but the bucs??
    guess that goes to show even with all these pro-offense rules now it dont cover up for mistakes lol.
    Some rankings and stats seem irrelevant. You can have a great defense or offense but still be a losing team. Marcus Mariota had a great game on Monday but so what? The Titans still lost.
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    Kareem Hunt got cut.
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    Re: Official 2018-2019 NFL (Pre/Regular/Post) Thread

    Something happens every year that even if the Pats are 1a-2 the team above them, at least record/popular perception wise has something happen that inevitably will help kick the shins of the team when its times to clench it all up.
    not to take any credit away from the pats, but its weird how that always happens. curse got some dark magic or something lol
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    So Alex Smith is fighting an infection after the surgeries for his injuries, considered career-threatening. Really disheartening and unfortunate. Not a Skins, Niners, or Chiefs fan, but I always figured he while not an "Elite QB" was a solid starter that went from the "Bust" (he was seen as early on) that proved himself to getting kind of shafted a few times despite being a solid starting & pro bowl QB.

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    Always thought he was underrated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Subzi View Post
    Something happens every year that even if the Pats are 1a-2 the team above them, at least record/popular perception wise has something happen that inevitably will help kick the shins of the team when its times to clench it all up.
    not to take any credit away from the pats, but its weird how that always happens. curse got some dark magic or something lol
    Yea, its fucking bullshit how they always find ways to win. Look at the Superbowl with Atlanta or Seattle. Fuck....
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    Yea, its fucking bullshit how they always find ways to win. Look at the Superbowl with Atlanta or Seattle. Fuck....
    I was alluding to how the Chiefs had to get rid of Kareem Hunt and how the Steelers stay dysfunctional but those are good examples too. I remember ppl saying before the Tom & Bill era the Pats were a "laughing stock" of the NFL.... growing up I dont remember that.. sure they hadnt won any titles but i dont remember anyone being like "LOLPATS" (that had to be born of being the 85 Bears victim aka sheep to the slaughter in the superbowl). Cus even watching them lose to the Packers as a kid i didnt think they were like a joke? It's like all the energy in the world turned their way somehow lol.

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    Always thought he was underrated.
    Agreed. Perhaps he's not gunna be the win you a SB alone QB but MANY TEAMS would kill for an Alex Smith cus tbh.... ppl love to talk about ppl like Dilfer, Brad Johnson, etc who won superbowls..... "Game Managers" Alex Smith is easily IMO the most talented "Game manager" QB I've seen. Cus if those guys are game managers Alex Smith deserves Canton... (of course thats hyperbole but) Alex Smith always been a solid QB outside the first few down years in SF.

    Hell imagine a team like the Bills or any strong defensive team that'd have an Alex Smith level play throughout the season on top that defense (In Bills case Josh Allen is looking like the right investment, but just an example). Playoffs assured, i told my lady her
    Skins will make the playoffs long as Alex Smith stayed healthy..... I'm not wrong i think the Skins fend off the Eagles and Cowboys with Smith... now? I think the Cowboys make it... MAYBE if they win out Eagles could get a wildcard, but unlikely.
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    Yea, I thought the Skins made a smart move by picking him up after Kirk left and they looked like they were going to make the playoffs. I wanted Buffalo to make a trade for him back when he got boned in SF. I don't know how far they would have got with Alex Smith but they would have been better. Fans want to fault guys for not being Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees but you can win a Superbowl when you put a good team around a QB that works.. Eli and Joe Flacco proved that.
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    Yea, I thought the Skins made a smart move by picking him up after Kirk left and they looked like they were going to make the playoffs. I wanted Buffalo to make a trade for him back when he got boned in SF. I don't know how far they would have got with Alex Smith but they would have been better. Fans want to fault guys for not being Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees but you can win a Superbowl when you put a good team around a QB that works.. Eli and Joe Flacco proved that.
    I told my lady (whos into it but still learning) when the Skins got Alex: He's basically a REALLY GOOD (but not great) QB who minimizes mistakes and can occasionally extend plays or get plays to work cus he's not a bad mind either. But will he be the reason yall go through the playoffs and win a ring? Lol no.
    That's the difference I think with someone like him and even a Flacco (that one time) or Eli where their ultimate upsides (even if it's a "everything falling into place") situation are borderline "Elite" like the QBs who do continuously win/appear in SBs.

    Remember how for YEARS the top 4 QBs were Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Brees, and (rotating fifth: ) Big Ben/Rivers/Eli/OCCASIONALLY Romo? If you can play up to that 5-7 slot on a team around you playing well you can win without being a Brees/Brady/Rodgers.

    When it comes to Kirk i think at best he'll be a guy that could have an Eli/Flacco post season ONE DAY witht he right team (ala the Vikings at their best)..... but... thus far he hasnt had much success there.
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    skins on their 4th qb and still have a chance for playoffs....crazy...that'll be ended on Sunday tho...now the Eagles...fucking Nick Foles...damn.
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    Is Foles really a guy you would start all season? He's seems like a great backup that can play really well for a string of games but not much longer, kind of like Fitzpatrick.
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    I wouldn't give Prescott a long term deal but then again, who do they replace him with?
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    Well they should make him play on his last year of his deal this season and if they still think he is worth it then either pay him or franchise him for another season.

    they traded away a first rounder so they ain't gonna be in a position for a different qb this year. if they wouldn't have traded for cooper then maybe they would have been in a position to draft Herbert.

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    So are the Chiefs and Rams going to flame out? Both were the toast of the league for the first half and neither is looking so great recently. There's a few teams that look like they're getting really good when it matters.
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    He's on the team I root for so nothing. Even then I'm fully against trading him since it would cost 20 million in dead cap next year and 21 million the year after.
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    Now I'm disappointed Pittsburgh didn't make the playoffs. If they were playing this weekend the drama would be through the roof.
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    Part of me wants to see the Chiefs take it this year. Yet on the flip part of me thinks the Colts might take them this week.
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    Part of me wants to see the Chiefs take it this year. Yet on the flip part of me thinks the Colts might take them this week.
    I think that's going to be the best game this weekend. I'm rooting for anyone but NE. Fuck the Patriots.

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    Subzi, what do you think of the Adam Gase hire?
    I dont think its a lovely or ugly signing. I think hes rode off the Manning years. That said I don't think either should be written off yet, esp not Darnold. But I do think if the Bucs could've got Arians the Jets should've been able to. I think it'll depend on both Darnold and Gase living up to their potential/one being great and other being decent; if one don't both will fail. Either way, not my team not my problem that's what I say.

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    I think that's going to be the best game this weekend. I'm rooting for anyone but NE. Fuck the Patriots.

    Subzi, what do you think of the Adam Gase hire?
    I want to see Larry's sister take it this year. I'll be rooting for her in full Viking fan apparel. Bull horn and all that I will blow into and yell scoll after his sister takes a load on her beautiful chest. Then Larry can watch me spit into a napkin to clean her up after because I want her to look proper enough to meet federal Devin standards since we're gonna get marrried. Then I'll look at larry and say "chill bro I got this" as I slide a funyon on her thumb knuckle.
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    I want to see Larry's sister take it this year. I'll be rooting for her in full Viking fan apparel. Bull horn and all that I will blow into and yell scoll after his sister takes a load on her beautiful chest. Then Larry can watch me spit into a napkin to clean her up after because I want her to look proper enough to meet federal Devin standards since we're gonna get marrried. Then I'll look at larry and say "chill bro I got this" as I slide a funyon on her thumb knuckle.
    will she take the horn too? thats all this post was missing, blowing the horn inside her.
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    will she take the horn too? thats all this post was missing, blowing the horn inside her.
    That would be rude. Remember I'm gonna be sitting across from Larry on thanksgivings because I'll convince her he's not too bad of a drunk to watch the baby ima impload in her cunt. Larry's good uncle material. He doesn't panic and I like his lifestyle that if we're put into words would be "get this fucking beer away from me and I kill you"

    Larry's ability to be both happy and angry is one of the scariest moments any guy talking to another guy on the phone will ever be cought off guard doing. I think he had that bitch fest memorized because that was an increasingly difficult bunch of insults to put together without repeating any of it besides fuck. He must get practice from yelling at his maw for burning the roast on Sunday dinners. Such a good boy. What a nice boy.
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    I dont think its a lovely or ugly signing. I think hes rode off the Manning years. That said I don't think either should be written off yet, esp not Darnold. But I do think if the Bucs could've got Arians the Jets should've been able to. I think it'll depend on both Darnold and Gase living up to their potential/one being great and other being decent; if one don't both will fail. Either way, not my team not my problem that's what I say.
    Agreed. And I think Darnold is going to be good. Ditto with Josh Allen. Hopefully down the line its not going to be an automatic shoo in for the Pats to win the the division every year.

    I always thought you were a Giants/Jets fan for some reason.
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    Agreed. And I think Darnold is going to be good. Ditto with Josh Allen. Hopefully down the line its not going to be an automatic shoo in for the Pats to win the the division every year.

    I always thought you were a Giants/Jets fan for some reason.
    I grew up in NY so it was mostly giants and jets fan but the main person i watched football with; my uncle jimmy (he was one of those like.... he was 25 when i was 6 types) who was a bills fan.

    I think the Pats years are coming up, I think it's foolish to say now or even next year but revisit it after year 2-3+, Brady didn't look his greatest this year, but who knows. That said Brady isn't going to play forever either way, do people really think Billy B sticks around after Brady dips? I really think he wanted Jimmy to be that guy so he could or at least establish his next in line, Brady leaves I think he's gone... Who knows I spoke this on here before, maybe ends up in the office at SF with Jimmy?
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    Brady didn't look his greatest but he still had a good year. My guess is Belichick dips out after Brady retires. Hopefully Robert Kraft's loyalty to Brady is what puts a nail in the coffin to the dynasty.

    I'm glad the Chiefs won so they can host the conference game. Their D actually looked really good yesterday.
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    Somebody laid a forearm on Brady - roughing the passer.

    Damn right he's getting another one...
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    I wanted it to be Rams v Chiefs (for Goff vs Mahomes) or if it had to be a another Pats one Pats v Saints (for Brees v Brady). That said while my gut is saying it won't happen (despite the Rams having a formula that does beat Brady, at least defensively), it would be beautiful; poetic justice almost, to have the Rams be the team to be the book ends of the Pats dynasty, losing to them to start it and beating them to end it.

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    do yall think doug pederson goes down as a overall more successful coach than andy reid?
    granite hes got a ring and thats reids ultimate strike but say outside that, think he goes down as a top philly head coach?
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    do yall think doug pederson goes down as a overall more successful coach than andy reid?
    granite hes got a ring and thats reids ultimate strike but say outside that, think he goes down as a top philly head coach?
    Time will tell. I don't think he really had a great year but Philly got hot when it mattered. I actually thought they were the better team when the played the Saints. Where do you think Foles ends up next year?
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    Time will tell. I don't think he really had a great year but Philly got hot when it mattered. I actually thought they were the better team when the played the Saints. Where do you think Foles ends up next year?
    are those "letting him walk free" reports for real? i still have a hard time thinking theyd just let him walk free when they have who a QB who stays hurt.

    If he gets traded I doubt the Eagles would be interested in letting him go anywhere in the NFC, especially to a rival like the Skins or Giants. Personally, I think the Broncos are the most likely be it walking or trade. I dont see any other team that makes more sense. Especially since you know Elway will want a proven guy and will pitch him on what they did with Peyton with this team when they finally had solid QB play.
    Going to something like the Jags or Giants who do seem to have more talent/of a team around him would me more a money thing or if Flacco somehow gets picked up first [not to mention to in the Giants case whoever goes there has to contend with the fact they seemingly wanna give Eli ONE MORE YEAR, so i think that disqualifies them from both Flacco and Foles]. But I would imagine that would only be if the Eagles didn't make it clear what was going on with Foles first if they were gunna trade, let him walk, etc. (I really don't understand why they'd let him walk)

    I think Flacco ends up with the Jags (unless they're dumb enough to let the Raiders scoop him up by being timid on what to do with Bortles) and Foles ends up on the Broncos, and if anything Bortles or Keenum ends up with the Raiders. lol

    Also one last thought to contend with, are we sure Foles would even go to a rival of the Eagles out of respect to the team he won a championship with? Maybe thats just a novel idea but I don't think any team makes more sense than the Broncos and next up maybe the Jags.
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    Itll be interesting next few seasons what teams that are in a position like the Giants are right will do - granite the Saints, Pats, Steelers and Chargers are getting much more out of their guys than the Giants are Eli right now but it's pretty much guaranteed at least ONE of those teams are falling off the map once their guys are gone cus it's HARD to pull off what Indy did with a Peyton to Luck or GB with Favre to Rodgers, hell even the Chargers had their Brees to Rivers jump.

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    Itll be interesting next few seasons what teams that are in a position like the Giants are right will do - granite the Saints, Pats, Steelers and Chargers are getting much more out of their guys than the Giants are Eli right now but it's pretty much guaranteed at least ONE of those teams are falling off the map once their guys are gone.
    The wheels seem to be flying off Pittsburgh at the moment. Would you let AB back in after what he pulled? I know a lot of teams would, but the Steelers usually don't.
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    The wheels seem to be flying off Pittsburgh at the moment. Would you let AB back in after what he pulled? I know a lot of teams would, but the Steelers usually don't.
    nah, the Steelers usually dont take half of this shit, tbh the Steelers havent been very Steeler-y for awhile though. That said i do think this a tricky situation, cus the steelers have always been "the model organization" and now theyre risking like looking a team who wont take care of 2 of (if not the 2) best guys and went. they better hope ben, juju, and conor is enough.

    that said it is best to trade him sooner than later. it seems itll only get worse, not better, esp since ben is such a finger pointer himself.
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    AB's actions and Ben publicly criticizing teammates basically drove up Bell's value. He was looking like the diva for holding out but that locker room seems to have gotten worse after he left. I bet a few more teams may consider signing him.

    Its going to be an interesting off-season for free agency and drafts. Teams like the Bills and Jets are gonna have a lot of cap money to throw around but I would think the hot spots in the AFC are either in KC or Indy.
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    AB's actions and Ben publicly criticizing teammates basically drove up Bell's value. He was looking like the diva for holding out but that locker room seems to have gotten worse after he left. I bet a few more teams may consider signing him.

    Its going to be an interesting off-season for free agency and drafts. Teams like the Bills and Jets are gonna have a lot of cap money to throw around but I would think the hot spots in the AFC are either in KC or Indy.
    Bell's value is undeniable regardless, I think its no question he'll have no shortage for teams looking for his services. I think this was all a more of a kind of blowing the curtains off the steelers facade of always having shit together. i think tomlin is a great coach but he let his players have a lil too much range and this is what happened.
    personally, i dont understand why they wouldn't pay bell; but thats for another time... AB as good as he is theres really nothing that will save that situation long term. itll be interesting to see where ab and bell end up, either way i think the fact the steelers missed this "killer b's" generation window will be a mark against them for some time.
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    They offered Bell 15 million a year, that's nearly twice what the next highest paid RB makes. He wanted that plus most of it guaranteed.

    I doubt Brown gets traded since that would be 20 million in dead cap space for the next two years.
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